Just wanted to let everyone know that Hub City Dragway will be having our final race of the year Nov 24th 25th and 26th we are planning to have over a $ 30,000.00 dollar purse. Classes will be Pro Mod, 10.5 W, True 10.5, Stock Suspension, 5.50, 6.00, 7.00. If you think this is a good ideal please let me know. If not let me know. I have looked and I havent seen a big race going on that weekend so I thought why not and try and make it an annual event. Also thanks ORSCA and Karen for all of your help.

In Response to this: If you look at the schedule on Bracketnews.com you'll see that they have posted a race for that weekend not unless it has been cancelled or it is a misprint. If they are having a race how in the world do you expect to have one yourself. If this is true, this also shows why the bracket program is being hurt at your facility. The undercutting of other scheduled programs..I do however understand that it takes money to make it but maybe it's the owner's and promoters who has changed not the racer. I actually like seing brackets. It's far more interesting and and it's great that someone wants to spend alot of money on their car. At least they take pride in what they own cars vs. (track). There other tracks making it. Why can't you.. Maybe your values have changed

Its was a misprint. It was put up before it was really discussed.

No problem! I'm quite sure that brackets will have somewhere to race on that weekend. I do hope that in the near future that brackets can and will return to Hub. It's a shame that most of us can't race at our or what we consider our home track. Best wishes to you Ralph, and Todd in your endeavour's

Now thats just wrong....LOL

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Mr. jaymustang, Let me guess you have a 10.5 or a 7.00 car. Have you ever won a bracket race?. Well Ricky you ask people what they think, so Here goes. I have watched the changes that have brought bracket to the place where it is today for the past 40 plus years. There has been a lot of changes to bracket racing in that time. Maybe the future of bracket racing is in heads up classes. I will guess that the people behind this are door car guys that are afraid of running dragsters. That being said, PLEASE someone tell me why you door car guys can't understand that the guy who wins in bracket racing in the guy with the best package, reguardless if he is in a VW or a top fueler. Also what is the differance in racing against a 5.00 dragster and a 5.00 door car. None as far as I can see. Now I know you are saying "Here is another dragster guy" but you would be wrong, Although I have in the past had a couple of them, did not win any more with them than I did with door cars. As for as heads up classes, how many 5.50 door cars do you think there is in a 100 mile radius of the hub? Maybe if all of them show up it will be enough to run the class. Why not allow BOTH door cars in the 5.50 class. Or if there is too much crying about this, have a couple of heads up dragster classes, say 5.00 and 5.50 or whatever the numbers need to be. Or better yet maybe a open class, run anything in a 5.50 class. If heads up classes are going to make it around here there needs to be a place where cars beside door cars can run too.

I agree and Todd and I have been discussing that topic alot and we will come up with something.

Well if you could really drive around me you wouldn't really be doing anything. I am a bracket racer and will allways be. So your out running me doesn't mean anything to me. As for as winning races I did win two at hub city last year, so my lights must not have been too bad. I also won one of the races at Gulfport on july 4 weekend, with a 5.12 average light for 11 rounds. Having been involved in racing for over 40 years, I have noticed something, those who put down bracket racing usually do that because they aren't any good at it. Also before you blow your horn so loud you might should find who you are talking to, you might be letting your alligator mouth overload your humming bird azz. But this type talk belongs on Smack talk not here.

I'm with engine man, you probably sucked at bracket racing. There is no skill involved in heads up racing. There are very few heads up racers that can cut a light, do a burnout half way decent, or even stage in a timely manner. I have been to my share of these races and ya'll are the most unorganize bunch of people of any form of racing. I will give you this; Heads up racing does put fans in the stands; why, I dont know. I guess Bracket racing can be a little boring for the fans; Afterall no one is wrecking, no one is shooting at you. Bracket racing not being successful at the hub has nothin to do with cry babies or that people dont want to watch. We all know why that is. "YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW" Thats all I will say about that. Good luck with your index racing. Chad Fox

(Quote taken from another forum)- Wow I love to see the index racers responses. If you wanna talk about success take a look at Texas where hands down they have more races, racers and tracks to talk about than most any other state in the south. I raced 2 years of index racing and yes heads up racing is better to watch so it does bring in the spectators but hell im a racer, not a spectator when I show up to race. But index racing FELL WAY OFF in Texas and now everything has resulted back into bracket racing there and index racing isnt what it use to be. if you dont have a T/S, T/D or Pro Mod there is basically no index racing for you there. Its alot harder to run 1/8 mile than 1/4 because you have less time to play your games. Its alot harder to bracket race than heads up race as well. How long has bracket racing been around? and its still here and almost every track does it, now heads up index racing can you say every track does it? no you cant. Money = horsepower thats a common and simple piece of knowledge, now throw in the factor of consistency and that changes alot. Any car no matter what the speed or horsepower or price tag can run in bracket racing, just learn how to dial your car and most of all learn knowledge of how to dial a car, not just how to push the gas pedal down. Wanna make bracket racing fun just go to a Pro Tree instead of full and still run dials. Hub City has its problems and I think this is a shot they are taking to try to get the fans back in the stands but lets just hope the racers show. I remember 3 years ago when I got my brand new Bickel Grand Am and my fresh 706 from Race Craft, I went there to tune a little but before I could do that there was an accident on the track. Someone had run off the end of the track, (to make along story short) everything was ok and the guy said he couldnt see the end of the track because he was blinded by the sun. So I go up to make my first pass and I cannot get any bite, I return back to the trailer and load up because I couldnt see anything due to the sun as well and I see why this guy ran off the end. Now thats my own little run in and I have only been back 2 times since then and not happy. I thought I remembered reading a long time ago trackes could be built east to west or west to east because of sun problems, Im not sure how Hub is angled but I sure had a sun problem and I also heard some of the well named heavy pro mod guys had problems as well.
Troy Stanfield
P/M T/S
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I wish the track the best but I agree with Mr. Fox, Mr. Engine and Mr. Stanfield as well. This post was taken from another forum.

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Originally posted by mustang sally:
I'm with engine man, you probably sucked at bracket racing. There is no skill involved in heads up racing. There are very few heads up racers that can cut a light, do a burnout half way decent, or even stage in a timely manner. I have been to my share of these races and ya'll are the most unorganize bunch of people of any form of racing. I will give you this; Heads up racing does put fans in the stands; why, I dont know. I guess Bracket racing can be a little boring for the fans; Afterall no one is wrecking, no one is shooting at you. Bracket racing not being successful at the hub has nothin to do with cry babies or that people dont want to watch. We all know why that is. "YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW" Thats all I will say about that. Good luck with your index racing. Chad Fox

go ahead chad.im with u all the way.anybody can race index,but it takes skill and knowing your car to bracket race.I LOVE BRACKET RACING,THATS THE ONLY WAY.thats y my tag says luv4bkt.c u soon pat k.

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Originally posted by jaymustang:
Bracket racing has declined because it sucks and its full of cry baby racers. And yes the bracket race has been canceled because spectators don't want to watch it. Also other tracks make it because they don't have insurance or ambulance so if you don't value your life continue going it'll catch up to some of you and then there will be less whining. Just quit complaning and set your car up to index race its more fun and people don't mind watching.

For someone who supports bracket racing you sure do down us a lot or maybe I read this post wrong

sorry I like to do both but I think that I have proven myself in both types of racing what do you think?

but I am a bracket racer at heart and will never down a bracket racer like you have been doing.

I do both and I know which one takes more skill which is bracket racing by far.

You two need to quit yall are driving me nuts.

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Originally posted by jaymustang:
yeah i agree it takes no skill to make a car go 330mph tell that to millionare JOHN FORCE who heads up races and bracket racing was created so people that could not keep up could win because they don't have the skills to go fast. Racing as a whole was created to see who was faster.

Force is the BEST at what he does, but he would get busted if he showed up at a bracket race.
Take a look at Connolly, Stanfield, Coughlin, the best leavers in the business in PS. I'll throw this one out, Mike Neal which I believe is the best Outlaw Pro Mod driver around, Mike did a lot of bracket racing in the day at Chatom, Atmore, etc.
Point being you get a whole lot of laps in bracket racing to hone those skills.

Comparing what you do and what john force does is apples to oranges. I agreed he is the best at what he does. Take Jason Line for instance he is by for not the best PS driver; but he has a unlimited budget and the best team and thats how he won the PS championship. He was beat 7 times on a whole shot, why because he can't cut a light consistently. So the bottom line is 9 times out of 10 in heads up racing the team with the most money wins and thats why I believe bracket racing was created. If you take away John Force's multi million dollar budget and or greg anderson's they would not be as competitive as they are. And that is a fact. Also watch who you challenge or call out because you dont know me but I can assure you I can build anything I want and go as fast as I want. I may be wrong but I'm sure I own a bracket car that is faster than your heads up car. Thats not a challenge or a call-out, just a fact. You do your type of racing and us cry babies will do ours. Chad

Dude, you have no idea

mustang sally, it's a good thing we have our electronics to hide behind or we would be in serious trouble. at least were assured of one duck in the group.

mark bosarge
bracket and super class racer

First of all no one is looking down on any form of racing. You are the one that said bracket racing sucks and full of cry babies, and I take offense to that. You started all this. I can see this is going nowhere and I prefer peace over controversy. So I am done. Good Luck and be careful. P.S. I do have a 3200lb small motor, street tire, nitrous and yes I can drive it to the track and yes its fast and no you can't drive it

I agree with you Chad and im on your Team. Seems like we can hide behind our electronics just like the street racers can hide behind their Nitrous. Hell my car is 3000lbs with me in it and for the right price it is street legal. Bracket racers dont have to make up excuses to justify why they loss (yes they have excuses but not as many as the others) like street racers and index racers. I have been to alot of races as a spectator and as a racer and those index guys always have one problem they are not as consistent, they always have some type of excuse about why they got beat ex. poor track conditions, too much power for the track, car got out of the groove or soe other reason why they had to lift. Then you got all the problems and delays because there is oil downs due to the fact that there nitrous hand granades have gone off. Its always an excuse, oh yea then you have the reasons why they wont race someone, they dont race bikes, if you have nitrous and they dont then you cant use yours. Fact is if you wanan run then PM me my friends friend grandma's cousins brothers sister has F-16 she wants to index race. All I have to say is if you are against bracket racing and you are a index or street racer and think your shit doesnt stink (like most of them) run a series of bracket racing and see where you stand up at in the points. PROVE THAT INDEX RACERS CAN BEAT AND ARE BETTER THAN BRACKET RACERS, UNTIL THEN !

Your car may be faster than mine but that dont mean shit to me, ill just spend my money on trying to make my car more consistent, my trailer, my motor home and go and enjoy races with a worry free ride.